Thanks Tanya, pictures from your site were an inspiration for us. It looked pretty cool with snow on the ground, although the light was a tad more flat when you were there. Now we just wish to return at dawn ... and to get to the high point of the main white outcrop too.
Thanks for adding a page for this area in Southern Coyote Buttes. I would like to go there someday but I'm not sure if my vehicle will make it on those roads.
Hmmm, is your name Jeff now? You must have entered the Witness Protection Program after receiving all those comments!
No, I think Tanya was in communication with someone else who also headed for Coyote Buttes. She really has great beta on her site, although navigation to the right page there isn't always obvious.
Yes, we are still smarting from the mean comments for the North Coyotes TR. But in hindsight, shouldav expected it. So many people are bummed with the torturous permit lottery process that there is probably a lot of corrosive envy to the lucky few who got it. If you brag about your visit to the Wave, especially right on the site's front page, it's gotta get some sour looks.
BTW all of us agreed that the Wave is not nearly as cool in realspace as in its pictures.
Thanks for sharing these beautiful photos. I'm doing a road trip from California to Zion and Bryce Canyon during the Christmas week 12/22-12/29. I'd love to visit the Wave and White Pocket. I have a 4x4 Jeep Liberty. Would it be able to comfortably negotiate the road in and out of White Pocket? I assume the roads are not closed for winter. Any other things I should be aware of other than the advance permit for the Wave?
Dear GeoPooch, Your photos are wonderful and your trip information is extremely helpful. My husband is inspired to rent a 4WD vehicle to try to get out to White Pocket sometime this year, but we have never owned or even rented a 4WD, let alone even driven, a high clearance 4WD vehicle. I am deterred by your description of the road, but he is gung ho! Any advice on how to get the experience necessary to get out there - short of hiring a guide? We did hire a guide to see Coyote Buttes South, but we felt that our time there was WA-A-AY too short for what we wanted. We want to do it on our own - but safely!
Let me (the driver) answer for the Pooch :) The road conditions may have changed in the 4 years since our trip, sometimes it takes one desert storm... We did have to lock differential on the 4Runner at some sandy spots, but never needed to deflate tire pressure. Keep it mind that we visited in late fall, and Poverty Flat roads turn worse in summer after dry spells, since it's sandy. Cold nights and recent precipitation make them better. If there is much preciptation, then do not use House Rock road North (the muddy hills may be bad there). The South end towards 89A may be more passable when muddy. It tends to dry up really fast anyway.
tanya - Nov 21, 2007 12:15 pm - Voted 10/10
Remote and Beautiful!Lovely photos! I love it out there!
~tanya
GeoPooch Sobachka - Nov 21, 2007 1:21 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Remote and Beautiful!Thanks Tanya, pictures from your site were an inspiration for us. It looked pretty cool with snow on the ground, although the light was a tad more flat when you were there. Now we just wish to return at dawn ... and to get to the high point of the main white outcrop too.
Yeah - and who is Jeff anyway 8) ?
mountaingazelle - Nov 21, 2007 12:56 pm - Voted 10/10
Nice placeThanks for adding a page for this area in Southern Coyote Buttes. I would like to go there someday but I'm not sure if my vehicle will make it on those roads.
Hmmm, is your name Jeff now? You must have entered the Witness Protection Program after receiving all those comments!
GeoPooch Sobachka - Nov 21, 2007 1:37 pm - Hasn't voted
Witness Protection Program LOLI love it :)
No, I think Tanya was in communication with someone else who also headed for Coyote Buttes. She really has great beta on her site, although navigation to the right page there isn't always obvious.
Yes, we are still smarting from the mean comments for the North Coyotes TR. But in hindsight, shouldav expected it. So many people are bummed with the torturous permit lottery process that there is probably a lot of corrosive envy to the lucky few who got it. If you brag about your visit to the Wave, especially right on the site's front page, it's gotta get some sour looks.
BTW all of us agreed that the Wave is not nearly as cool in realspace as in its pictures.
kanyucat - Dec 2, 2007 6:57 pm - Hasn't voted
Approach BetaThanks for sharing these beautiful photos. I'm doing a road trip from California to Zion and Bryce Canyon during the Christmas week 12/22-12/29. I'd love to visit the Wave and White Pocket. I have a 4x4 Jeep Liberty. Would it be able to comfortably negotiate the road in and out of White Pocket? I assume the roads are not closed for winter. Any other things I should be aware of other than the advance permit for the Wave?
Lyrinda - Mar 26, 2012 3:18 pm - Voted 10/10
Getting to White PocketDear GeoPooch, Your photos are wonderful and your trip information is extremely helpful. My husband is inspired to rent a 4WD vehicle to try to get out to White Pocket sometime this year, but we have never owned or even rented a 4WD, let alone even driven, a high clearance 4WD vehicle. I am deterred by your description of the road, but he is gung ho! Any advice on how to get the experience necessary to get out there - short of hiring a guide? We did hire a guide to see Coyote Buttes South, but we felt that our time there was WA-A-AY too short for what we wanted. We want to do it on our own - but safely!
Dmitry Pruss - Mar 26, 2012 3:43 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Getting to White PocketLet me (the driver) answer for the Pooch :) The road conditions may have changed in the 4 years since our trip, sometimes it takes one desert storm... We did have to lock differential on the 4Runner at some sandy spots, but never needed to deflate tire pressure. Keep it mind that we visited in late fall, and Poverty Flat roads turn worse in summer after dry spells, since it's sandy. Cold nights and recent precipitation make them better. If there is much preciptation, then do not use House Rock road North (the muddy hills may be bad there). The South end towards 89A may be more passable when muddy. It tends to dry up really fast anyway.