The odds are that the coordinates are the ones that were on the page when I took it over from WIlliam. I don't recall changing them, but that was years ago. Where did you get your numbers from, since the page you reference says Mera Peak Lat 27 46 27 Long 86 54 40?
In any case, the position of Mera is of some controversy, as I'm sure you are aware. See this page from the Real Mera site.
I looked at the interactive map satellite photo, and the current position seems pretty close, judging by where the Sabai Tsho and Dudh Kund lakes are located. Comapre with this Nelles map. (Make sure your browser does not shrink it to fit the screen).
I used the formula from http://www.summitpost.org/mountains/faq.pl#MP_TOPO : "Recalculate the DMS-data (dd° mm' ss.sss'') with the following formula (only mm and ss have to be recalculated):
xxxx = (mm / 60) + (ss.sss / 3600)."
I really don`t know where to find reliable data on Nepalese peaks. I am quite disappointed with nearly all of the maps available here (Kathmandu). I just thought their own ministry might have some trustworthy info on their website - apparently not.
The odds are that the coordinates are the ones that were on the page when I took it over from WIlliam. I don't recall changing them, but that was years ago. Where did you get your numbers from, since the page you reference says Mera Peak Lat 27 46 27 Long 86 54 40?
In any case, the position of Mera is of some controversy, as I'm sure you are aware. See this page from the Real Mera site.
I looked at the interactive map satellite photo, and the current position seems pretty close, judging by where the Sabai Tsho and Dudh Kund lakes are located. Comapre with this Nelles map. (Make sure your browser does not shrink it to fit the screen).
I used the formula from http://www.summitpost.org/mountains/faq.pl#MP_TOPO : "Recalculate the DMS-data (dd° mm' ss.sss'') with the following formula (only mm and ss have to be recalculated):
xxxx = (mm / 60) + (ss.sss / 3600)."
I really don`t know where to find reliable data on Nepalese peaks. I am quite disappointed with nearly all of the maps available here (Kathmandu). I just thought their own ministry might have some trustworthy info on their website - apparently not.
This is so funny! Even after they change the normal route from 2010 (because of a crevasse near the central summit), organizers still continue to do the lower Central Summit (false summit), although the slightly higher North Summit is both easier and not any further away. So with the new route from 2010, people now go to the saddle between Central and North Summit and from there they climb the WRONG summit. What the fuck!
I quote:
"The south summit (6,065m) is the most accessible with the Northern Summit (6,476m), the highest, which can be reached by skirting the Central Summit (6,461m) to the north and following a snow ridge to its top. Climbing the Central summit requires ascent up on steep snow and is more technical. Mera North is straight-forward to climb."
Westerns come a long way to do a 6000m peak, but the scammers in Kathmandu brings them to a bump on the ridge (Central summit) which lately has become more "technical" than the true summit (North summit). It's a contradiction I can't understand.
The organizers in Nepal are totally brain-dead. They operate as they always have done on Mera Peak. They are not able to CHANGE. They just operate by old habbits. What a bunch of scammers. Maybe they don't know any better, because they just sit in their office, they are never out in the field. Then they instruct the sherpa's to do the false summit, the one they have always done. What a bunch of loosers !
For more information about the controversy, please read here:
http://www.markhorrell.com/diaries/090504.html
People still climb the central "peak"? Not the summit guys. A friend and I did this climb years ago(sniped it).. Lukla back to Lukla in 3 and a half daze.. no acclimatization.. not recommended. I think we forgot to get a permit. We reached the central summit, and were pretty tired, when we both agreed the north summit was higher.. and climbed that as well. So now it is more difficult, and people STILL climb it? Pretty silly. We were the only people in the valley, and on the mountain when we did it.
I am my friend are planning to do mera peak during late april - early may. How is this season?
We are planning to do it on minimal budget.
Here is out plan for this.
1) Take agency's help to get Permit and Hire an experienced guide in Lukhla . I am against taking guide from Kathmandu to save his ticket cost.
2) We will meet guide in Lukla.
3) From Lukla to Khare. I guess its a tea house style trek with lodges and villages. We can carry our own stuff. And we dont need to carry porters, equipments and food till then.
4)From Khare we will hire Porters. Take food, equipments ( tent, harness , ropes, ice axe etc.. ) . We will hire them for 3-4 days . Khare - Mera peak - Khare.
5) Khare - Lukla . Back with our guide.
How does this sound?? Any part of my plan which is not feasible??
We - a group of four - did Mera Peak last October as we were advised to go right after monsoon season and before most of the big expeditions. Well, might have been better to go with a date in spring - somehow the monsoon started too late this year and when we came to Kathmandu (end of September) it was still raining. Our flight to Lukla was cancelled several times. Only a few days later we could start the trip. But it had bad weather most of the trek up to Khare and back, and we were even lucky to have had a weather window on summit day, some other groups were not as lucky.
As we did the summit with touring skis (skipping Base Camp and directly going to High Camp) we had our porters right from Lukla - we had a lot of gear - but if I would go again (without skis) I guess I might also take it the light weight way. There are lodges to sleep in if your group is not too big and you can rent everything you need in Khare. That's definitely one should take advantage of.
As LS wrote before, the Nepali guides are completely inflexible, have their fixed schedule and stick to it. If we weren't as insistent as possible and did a lot of research before the trip, some things would have been done differently and at least I wouldn't have reached the summit as I required a rest day in Tangnag our guide didn't want to make.
Nelson - Jan 11, 2006 6:07 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentHi Michael,
The odds are that the coordinates are the ones that were on the page when I took it over from WIlliam. I don't recall changing them, but that was years ago. Where did you get your numbers from, since the page you reference says Mera Peak Lat 27 46 27 Long 86 54 40?
In any case, the position of Mera is of some controversy, as I'm sure you are aware. See this page from the Real Mera site.
I looked at the interactive map satellite photo, and the current position seems pretty close, judging by where the Sabai Tsho and Dudh Kund lakes are located. Comapre with this Nelles map. (Make sure your browser does not shrink it to fit the screen).
Let me know what you think.
- Nelson
dmiki - Jan 12, 2006 12:52 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentHi Nelson,
>Where did you get your numbers from
I used the formula from http://www.summitpost.org/mountains/faq.pl#MP_TOPO : "Recalculate the DMS-data (dd° mm' ss.sss'') with the following formula (only mm and ss have to be recalculated):
xxxx = (mm / 60) + (ss.sss / 3600)."
I really don`t know where to find reliable data on Nepalese peaks. I am quite disappointed with nearly all of the maps available here (Kathmandu). I just thought their own ministry might have some trustworthy info on their website - apparently not.
Michael
dmiki - Jan 11, 2006 3:14 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentAccording to http://www.tourism.gov.np/peaksopedfortrekking.htm (if it is correct (and due to the state of their website it might not be)), shouldn`t the geo coordinates of the peak be:
27.7742, 86.9111 ?
(Where did you get your coordinates from?)
thx
Michael
Nelson - Jan 11, 2006 6:07 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentHi Michael,
The odds are that the coordinates are the ones that were on the page when I took it over from WIlliam. I don't recall changing them, but that was years ago. Where did you get your numbers from, since the page you reference says Mera Peak Lat 27 46 27 Long 86 54 40?
In any case, the position of Mera is of some controversy, as I'm sure you are aware. See this page from the Real Mera site.
I looked at the interactive map satellite photo, and the current position seems pretty close, judging by where the Sabai Tsho and Dudh Kund lakes are located. Comapre with this Nelles map. (Make sure your browser does not shrink it to fit the screen).
Let me know what you think.
- Nelson
dmiki - Jan 12, 2006 12:52 am - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentHi Nelson,
>Where did you get your numbers from
I used the formula from http://www.summitpost.org/mountains/faq.pl#MP_TOPO : "Recalculate the DMS-data (dd° mm' ss.sss'') with the following formula (only mm and ss have to be recalculated):
xxxx = (mm / 60) + (ss.sss / 3600)."
I really don`t know where to find reliable data on Nepalese peaks. I am quite disappointed with nearly all of the maps available here (Kathmandu). I just thought their own ministry might have some trustworthy info on their website - apparently not.
Michael
LS - Nov 27, 2013 4:15 pm - Hasn't voted
brain-dead organizersThis is so funny! Even after they change the normal route from 2010 (because of a crevasse near the central summit), organizers still continue to do the lower Central Summit (false summit), although the slightly higher North Summit is both easier and not any further away. So with the new route from 2010, people now go to the saddle between Central and North Summit and from there they climb the WRONG summit. What the fuck!
I quote:
"The south summit (6,065m) is the most accessible with the Northern Summit (6,476m), the highest, which can be reached by skirting the Central Summit (6,461m) to the north and following a snow ridge to its top. Climbing the Central summit requires ascent up on steep snow and is more technical. Mera North is straight-forward to climb."
Westerns come a long way to do a 6000m peak, but the scammers in Kathmandu brings them to a bump on the ridge (Central summit) which lately has become more "technical" than the true summit (North summit). It's a contradiction I can't understand.
The organizers in Nepal are totally brain-dead. They operate as they always have done on Mera Peak. They are not able to CHANGE. They just operate by old habbits. What a bunch of scammers. Maybe they don't know any better, because they just sit in their office, they are never out in the field. Then they instruct the sherpa's to do the false summit, the one they have always done. What a bunch of loosers !
For more information about the controversy, please read here:
http://www.markhorrell.com/diaries/090504.html
alaska13 - Nov 29, 2013 4:15 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: brain-dead organizersPeople still climb the central "peak"? Not the summit guys. A friend and I did this climb years ago(sniped it).. Lukla back to Lukla in 3 and a half daze.. no acclimatization.. not recommended. I think we forgot to get a permit. We reached the central summit, and were pretty tired, when we both agreed the north summit was higher.. and climbed that as well. So now it is more difficult, and people STILL climb it? Pretty silly. We were the only people in the valley, and on the mountain when we did it.
rakaraul - Feb 24, 2014 11:49 am - Hasn't voted
Mera peak in Mayhi Nelson,
I am my friend are planning to do mera peak during late april - early may. How is this season?
We are planning to do it on minimal budget.
Here is out plan for this.
1) Take agency's help to get Permit and Hire an experienced guide in Lukhla . I am against taking guide from Kathmandu to save his ticket cost.
2) We will meet guide in Lukla.
3) From Lukla to Khare. I guess its a tea house style trek with lodges and villages. We can carry our own stuff. And we dont need to carry porters, equipments and food till then.
4)From Khare we will hire Porters. Take food, equipments ( tent, harness , ropes, ice axe etc.. ) . We will hire them for 3-4 days . Khare - Mera peak - Khare.
5) Khare - Lukla . Back with our guide.
How does this sound?? Any part of my plan which is not feasible??
Let me know.
My id is rakaiit@gmail.com
CarmenB - Jan 4, 2015 7:38 pm - Voted 9/10
Re: Mera peak in MayWe - a group of four - did Mera Peak last October as we were advised to go right after monsoon season and before most of the big expeditions. Well, might have been better to go with a date in spring - somehow the monsoon started too late this year and when we came to Kathmandu (end of September) it was still raining. Our flight to Lukla was cancelled several times. Only a few days later we could start the trip. But it had bad weather most of the trek up to Khare and back, and we were even lucky to have had a weather window on summit day, some other groups were not as lucky.
As we did the summit with touring skis (skipping Base Camp and directly going to High Camp) we had our porters right from Lukla - we had a lot of gear - but if I would go again (without skis) I guess I might also take it the light weight way. There are lodges to sleep in if your group is not too big and you can rent everything you need in Khare. That's definitely one should take advantage of.
As LS wrote before, the Nepali guides are completely inflexible, have their fixed schedule and stick to it. If we weren't as insistent as possible and did a lot of research before the trip, some things would have been done differently and at least I wouldn't have reached the summit as I required a rest day in Tangnag our guide didn't want to make.
Well, a more detailed post on the Mera Peak Ski ascent can be found here (with pictures and all): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=827531580641183&set=gm.381830638661334&type=1&theater
Carmen